Derryberry Family Newsletter #23, 30 Jan 2000


Happy New Year to all. Alta and I got to spend Christmas in balmy Palm Beach
Gardens, FL while a lot of you shivered. Our daughter, Sue, got out of
Chicago just in time to miss that mess. But, son, John, got his in Santa Fe,
NM. Has not gotten home yet.


In answer to my plea for help on identifying some kin in DFNO # 22, Patricia
Schiro ( wrote:
"According to the TX birth records, a Danny Ray Derryberry was born Jun 24,
1949 the s/o Willis Ray Derryberry & Jessie Nell Hicks. The Danny Ray
Derryberry who died 8-1 1966 may be the same.. Maybe the birth date is
"Carol Sue Derryberry who died 19 January 1943 was the d/o Clint Miller
Derryberry & Mertis Olga Gray. she was born 19 Jan 1943 & died at three years
of age . She is buried in Baytown with her father.
"Bertie Elizabeth Derryberry who died in Houston, Harris County, TX December
21, 1974 was the wife of Stonewall Jackson Derryberry, s/o William C Milton
Derryberry. She is my daughters ggrandmother.
"I believe the John Morgan Derryberrry who died in Galveston County, TX 30
August 1946 is the brother of Stonewall Jackson Derryberry. His name was John
Morgan... I have been looking for his death record for a long time..Would you
have any idea where you found it? "


From Teresa Jones ("I can help with one of your questions.
The Savannah Derryberry who married a Richardson, was my g-g-grandmother,
Savannah Barger Derryberry, widow of Williamson Abraham Derryberry. Mr.
Richardson was her second husband, and an ancestor of Chuck Davis, who
researches these families as well.
"You have Savannah listed with the rest of my family in your book.The woman
and child on the 1850 VA census were ones I felt had been in South Carolina
earlier. I believe her daughter was born there and that was where we found a
couple of Derryberry men listed on an earlier census, who as far as I know,
are still unaccounted for. Maybe someone will have further information on
these people."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Some of the DFNO # 22s were undeliverable. Perhaps someone can tell me what
their correct addresses are. Those that came back were:
1. Don Knight sent to (have his now)
2. I don't seem to have the name of that person. Lost
it on a harddrive crash
3. Vance Derryberry sent to
4. Audrey Massey sent to
5. Emma Gene Brown sent to
6. Ann Sparks sent to

If you know how to contact any of these, would you ask them to contact me and
either give me a good address or ask to be dropped from the list?
A Reminiscence That the Younger Generation Might Find Odd

In about 1937, I think, when I was about 9 years old, Dad made a little
extra money on the crops that fall. I'd say he made enough to pay the banker
all he owed, but I suspect it was only enough to satisfy the banker until the
next crop.

Down on Deep Ellem (East Elm St. in Dallas) had many second-hand stores,
places where people took their cast-offs, instead of having garage sales, and
turned them for cash. A lot of it was items that more wealthy people either
gave or traded to their hired help in return for services, I'm told. The
worker would take the stuff, whatever, down on Deep Ellem and sell it to the
second-hand merchant. Some of it was really nice clothing.

Dad did not have a nice suit for funerals or special occasions. We wanted a
divan for the heater room (the heater room was the one room in the house that
had a heater, viz: the living room). So, he, Mom, my sister and I took some
of that surplus money to Deep Ellem shopping. Dad got himself a very nice
‘Sunday Go To Meeting' suit. He bought a red plush velvet couch for the
heater room. I'm sure we got some other things, but do not now remember
what. We went home proud of our new purchases as if they were brand new.

In those store on Deep Ellem you could find absolutely anything. Just keep
going down the street and to the next store and you would eventually find
whatever you were looking for. A song I hear back then went:

When you go down on Deep Ellem
Put your money in your sock
Cause them Deep Ellem Women
Wont give a good man a chance
Oh, pretty mama
Papa's got them Deep Ellem Blues

I do recall that we were driving down Elm Street at about Ervay or St. Paul
Street and passed a street repair crew. Dad stopped the car suddenly and
exclaimed "I believe that was Leon Derryberry back there". Sure enough it
was Charles Leon Derryberry, my great uncle Henry's son. I think that was
the only time that I ever saw him but it made such an impression on a 9 year
old that my Dad would find a cousin in a big place like Dallas.

Dallas had all of 260,000 people then. But, after all, McKinney, near where
we lived, had only 7,300, Plano had 1,554 and Richardson had 629 people. The
highway from McKinney to Dallas was a crooked, two lane road with deep
ditches on each side and ran through mostly farm land. Plano and Richardson
were just places to slow down. Today, that 30 mile stretch is all town.
Plano or Richardson today are either much larger than Dallas was then.

Sorry if I bored you, but indications are from those who responded to a
recent survey indicates they would like more of this sort of thing in the
family newsletter. Care to send me a short story?
Lori Morris is looking for her grand parents. Her mother's maiden name was
Jewel Derryberry, born 1932 in Louisiana. Jewel's parents were Cortez
Derryberry and Lillian Towns. Can you help her?
Found on RootsWeb:
David Crockett Derryberry born 13 Oct 1911, married Mary Doris Oglesby 1 Jan
1936 in Marion, Crittenden Co., AR. She was born 11 Aug 1912 in TN.
Children are:
(1) William David born 5 Oct 1936 in TN who married Judith Asensio in
Stamford, Seminole Co., FL and has children: Paige and Alisa.
(2) Doris Ann Derryberry born 29 Dec 1937 in TN, married Walter Herbert
Robbins 5 Apr 1957 in Memphis, TN.
(3) Donna Lane Derryberry born 3 Aug 1943 in TN, married John Stewart Kinzel
20 Dec 1966 in Memphis, TN,
(4) Mary Kay Derryberry born 27 Jul 1949 in TN

Do you recognize any of them? Where do they fit into the family tree?

I'm told that Nancy Repenning is starting a new web site for her branch of
the Derryberry family with pictures and stories.
Sheila Stephens states that her mother, Ruth Wilma Derryberry Tomlin is going
strong at 93, living in Tempe, AZ. She is the last of Charles Henry and
Alice's children. BTW, Andy has a picture of that family on
Nancy Rosdeutscher ( informed me that Nowlin Core
Derryberry died at Nashville, TN on 19 Oct 2000, survived by daughter Elaine
Dickerson, and sons Larry and Richard and 5 grand children. Izora Gertrude,
his wife, died 2 Nov 2000. They are buried in the Derryberry Cemetery in
Maury Co., TN..
Gary McPherson, husband of Shelly Ann Stephens, who is granddaughter of Ruth
Wilmina, was killed in a plane crash in Canada
More of who are they:

Andrew Derryberry married Letha Jane Buntyn in Cooke Co., TX 12 Oct 1876.
She was 5 years old on the 1860 census of Van Zandt Co., TX, daughter of B.
F. and Mahala Buntyn. B. F. was a wagon maker born in SC. Mahala was born
in GA. B. F. family got mail at Four Mile Prairie Post Office. Which Andrew
is this? Cannot possibly be son of Joseph Derryberry and Susan Berry, Andy,
because he was born in 1874.
Mitzi Derryberry, wrote:
"Shirley Gordon Derryberry Price of Lookout Mountain, GA Born: July 3, 1935
Died: November 20, 2000 from complications of a stroke. Burial will be
November 22 at Mt. Pleasant Cemetery on Lookout Mountain" She was a daughter
of Gordon and Bertha Derryberry of Lookout Mountain, GA. Her husband, Carl
O. Price, died about 10 years ago. She is survived by brother John Robert
Derryberry of Lookout Mountain and sisters Thelma Derryberry McDaniel of
Daytona Beach, FL and Edna Derryberry Howard of Ft. Oglethorpe, GA. She had
no children.
I thought that Lloyd Bockstruck's column in the Dallas Morning News 28 Oct
2000was worth sending out. He is the Dallas Library's Genealogy Department
Librarian. I do not know his correct title, but he is a well recognized
authority on genealogy. Here is the column reproduced verbatim.
Oral history challenges research

As we approach Allhallows, or All Saints' Day, family historians may look
upon it as their own holiday. Over the years, even the pronunciation of
Halloween has made a phonetic shift. Any baby boomer child who wanted to
master the English language learned to pronounce the first syllable as that
of the word "holiday.'' If you were to say Halloween that way today, most
people would label your pronunciation as unacceptable.
The last 50 years in American speech patterns hold all kinds of problems for
family historians, who have to rely upon written records made in the
lifetimes of earlier generations. In order to make the best use of these,
family historians find it necessary to learn how to speak as their ancestors
did so that they can "find" them in these records.
One of the pitfalls lurking along the path of discovery is that by no means
did all of your ancestors speak English. Americans have been coming from all
parts of the globe. English-speaking clerks maintained civil and religious
records about them. Those scribes also hailed from different places and had
different accents.
The language problem compounds itself. By the time you have identified your
16 great -great -grandparents, you will have ancestors from various
linguistic backgrounds. In many cases, you have recognized them solely by
paper records. You may be fortunate to have a photograph or portrait, a
diary or a baptismal certificate. You will not, however, have any spoken
record of theirs.
That lack of oral evidence is critical. If you have an ancestor named
Grimes, would you know that you should be checking for records where the
spelling would be Graham? If you have a Royce ancestor, would you be looking
for a Reuss? Suppose you are a Hite descendant, would you be taking notes
about Heydes? I you were a Turvey, would you recognize that it is actually
Spelling variations are inextricably intertwined with genealogical knots that
family historians spend countless hours trying to unravel. Unless you seek
to develop your knowledge of English phonetics and apply them to your
ancestral tongues, you are going to miss finding some of your ancestors.
Dr. Roger Minert has produced a very good guide for Americans of German
descent. Spelling Variations in German Names: Solving Family History
Problems Through Applications of German and English Phonetics seeks to
demonstrate for the novice and the seasoned expert how variant spellings are
natural, logical and predictable. Not only have vowels shifted over the
centuries, but consonants also have. Dr. Minert's book is based upon
examples found in vital records.
He has a checklist for identifying variant spellings in America and in Europe
because spelling changes are not confined to this side of the Atlantic.
There are numerous examples of each phonetic variation he discusses. One of
the most important features is his "trouble-shooting chart" of more than 200
names. If you find your name among these examples, you can go directly to
the portion of the text where he discusses the reasons for the specific
spelling variations.
For example, under the "American" name of Cline, he refers you to the German,
Klein. More importantly, he also shows the German variant of Glein. More
than a quarter of a century ago, I looked in vain for the passenger arrival
record of an ancestor named Friedrich Krummel. A cousin had the passport he
carried when he left from his home in Voehl, Hesse-Darmstadt. The family
continued to use the same spelling in the United States. What I found most
frustrating was my failure to find them on the passenger lists. Until I
realized that the German consonants of "G" and "K" were interchangeable. I
continued to overlook them. I was forced to sit down and read every
passenger disembarking at the port of New Orleans at the approximate period I
had calculated as arrival time. I finally found them. They were all listed
as Grummels.
Dr. Minert's book fills a gap. You will be impressed with his scholarly
explanations, and you will benefit from his instructions. It may be ordered
from GRT Publications. 1001 S. 1020 West, Woods Cross, UT 84087-2074. Cost
is $16.45, plus $2 handling.
Lloyd Bockstruck is supervisor of the genealogy section of the J. Erik
Jonsson Central Library. Address questions to: Family Tree, Texas Living
section, P.O. Box 655237, Dallas, TX 75265. He can be reached via e-mail at

This helps to explain why our family origin is so elusive. The name was
probably spelled some other way than Derryberry or Derreberry.
Cathy Derreberry Thomas' new e-mail address, in case anyone wants to contact
her, is
Rev. Elbert Audie Derryberry, III, of Downey, CA, reports that his dad,
Elbert Audie derryberry, Jr. passed away on Christmas Day at the VA Hospital
in Clinton, OK.
Ruth Jackson Derryberry's e-mail address, in case anyone wants to contact
her, is in Wellington, TX. Ruth was a big
contributor to the information in the Derryberry book.

Pat Schiro,, says the Robb Derryberry on the 1900 census of
Washington o., TX was Robert E. Lee Derryberry, born 8 Nov1870 in Marion Co.,
TN,. Died 14 May 1960 at Cleburne, TX. At that time, he was living with his
widowed aunt Mollie Malone Lauderdale. Pat, thanks for the information and
others you cleared up.
James "Jamey' Derryberry, III and wife, Erika Spencer Derryberry are
expecting the