Newsletter #14

Bob Derryberry's Derryberry Family Newsletter
Derryberry Family Newsletter Online #14, October 12, 1999 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Go to Andy's site for The Derryberry Family Association for updates on the reunion and back issues of the Derryberry Family Newsletter Online, plus copies of Kaye's newsletter of a few years back, and other Derryberry stuff: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Teresa Hardin Jones has been busy researching further back on the family line and has posted some very interesting findings on the The Derryberry Genforum at: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Letter from Guy Derryberry, Aug. 25, 1999; my comments in ( ): Received your newsletter yesterday morning. Really enjoyed reading it, as usual. I see some things that I would like to comment on. (I welcome comments.) First would be the work done by you and Teresa Jones on the Durrenberger people. (Teresa did most of it. I just listened. Helps some times to just have someone to listen while you talk and think things out.) For a long time I have suspicioned that this John, Sr. and Anna Buck stuff in Burke County, NC was not right, but had no proof to the contrary. I really believe the theory that Don Cross advanced a few years ago is the correct one concerning our Derryberry name. I don't believe there ever was a John, Sr. as the early one in NC. I believe the earliest ones were Hans Jacob & Hans Michael. Cannot explain the real early Andrew signature found in NC, but probably was someway connected to Hans Jacob & Hans Michael. Neither one of the above 3 was ever on any records in Burke Co., NC, but their sons that were. (Don't think that has been proven completely.) Now, having written the above, it stands to reason, we all descend from the above. (Good reasoning, but later research may indicate it was another Durrenberger.) Back in the early 1990s most of us traded information on anything we knew, helping establish a pattern on different families, such as Adams line, the Warren Co., TN Derryberrys and John, Jr. in NC. (Yes, and we had to weed out a lot of ‘tradition passed down in the family' such as the Irish roots, that was not true. The Bath, OH people helped to fuel that one with misinformation.) One line almost escaped us altogether. This was Michael. Everyone had this Michael mixed up (with a younger Michael) Now, as you know, I have investigated about every Derryberry in this country at one time or the other. (Thank goodness, someone had the time and inclination. We owe a lot to Guy's tenacity.) In due time, we along with many others manage to get a idea on whom belong in each family group, up to about 1850. Many of all these groups migrated after 1859 to AR, OK & TX and a few other states. (Add KY and MO.) What I am trying to say, we know where certain lines were in 1850, so when these people in OK etc. say Old Grandpaw was born in MS about 1851, we can, by deduction, place these people. Example would be the letter posted by Emma Gene Brown concerning some Derryberrys around McCurtain, OK. She said Sarah's father was William Derryberry born 1850 in MS. There were several children, especially in Isaac's family, named William about 1850-1860. (I wish they had been a little more original in naming their children, so maybe given them a serial #.) But lets just use the information in your newsletter. First, what Derryberrys were in MS in 1850. The only known Derryberrys in MS in 1850 were the ones in Tishomingo Co, now Alcorn and Tippah Counties. They were John T. Isaac, both sons of Isaac and Christina, and Andrew Jackson Derryberry, thought to be a son of Old Michael and brother to my Daniel and to Susan Myracle, wife of Peter Myracle. (BTW, people with name similar to Myracle found in proximity to Durrenbergers in NJ and Alsace.) Now, going one step further, Emma Brown said William's father was John W. (The Derryberry Families in America) book, Chapter 24, page 563 seems to prove that. But note, she said John's father was Andrew Derryberry born 1800s. Now who is this Andrew Emma Brown is writing about? It has to be Andrew Jackson Derryberry that first appeared in Warren Co. TN 1820 census. You will recall that two Andrew Derryberrys appeared on the 1820 census. One was known to be Andrew Buck Derryberry. For a ling time we could not determine who the other Andrew was. This 1820 census Warren Co., TN: #1 Andrew Derryberry 1 2 0 0 1 - 2 0 3 0 1 #2 Andrew Derryberry 1 1 1 2 0 1 - 2 0 3 1 0 (The numbers are from census records and indicate the number of males and females of various ages. The 1820 census listed only the head of the household's name.) We are not absolutely sure which was Andrew Buck, but believe it to be #1 because he was known to have had 3 sons; Michael Crockett, Andrew Jackson and Richard. Also, his wife, Sarah Ruecher, was still alive. Both these Andrews in 1823 moved to where I now live. Andrew Buck died here in 1839. The rest of the family, about 1842, moved to Madison Co., TN. This is covered in Chapter 20 (of the book). This #2 Andrew Derryberry apparently had already lost his wife by 1820, but note he had 5 sons and 6 daughters. He arrived here where I now live in 1823, built a log home just across the hollow from my g-g-grandfather, Larkin Ingram. Here he remained until 1835, had about 100 acres of land, but in 1835 he moved with a wagon train to north MS, known to be in the wagon train were Peter Myracle, John Wesley Essary, John Renshaw Kellum and Wilkerson people, plus John T., Isaac and Andrew Derryberry, and probably others. Now, using Emma Brown's information, this Andrew was father of John, and John was father of William. Well, we do not know the names of these 5 sons of Andrew by his first wife, but some must have lived to move to MS with him. Here is what we know of Andrew in MS. We know that he always lived close to the Peter Myracle family, near Pleasant Grove Cem., almost on the Alcorn- Tippah county line. In 1845 he, being 51 years old, married a 25 year old girl by the name of Malissa Glasco. Also, about the same time he had 5 daughters married in MS. I have their records. He reported on 1850 census Tippah Co. To be 56 years old, had a wife Malissa, with a 6 mos. Old son, Isaac. At that point I lost him for years. Then in 1860 he turns up in Jefferson Co., AR census, still with wife Malissa, but now has 2 more sons born in AR, William & Andrew. Its known this old Andrew was named Andrew Jackson Derryberry. Its thought, but not proven, he is son of Michael, the one who had the farm in KY. You will note the W. In his children's name. We think this traces back to Wesley name found in Old Michael's family. This Wesley name appears many times in my Daniel - Susan Myracle family, but does not appear much in any other Derryberry line. I think this Emma Brown case is just another example of no known records having ever been found on Old Michael's family. I think, but cannot prove, that Old Michael had at least these children, probably several more: 1. William, married Lowe sister, 2. John Wesley, married Lowe sister, 3. Susan, married Peter Myracle, 4. Daniel, married Mary Maganlean 5. Andrew Jackson 1st married?, 2nd married Malissa Glasco, 6. Michael married in Sumner Co., TN. I have the name but it is not readily available, 7. Elizabeth also married in Summer Co., TN. I would suggest that Mrs. Brown take a close look at what I have written and try to check out some of the above. Some of the above I can prove. Some was just taking all known information and trying to arrive at some kind of conclusion. What do you think? (Your reasoning seems pretty sound, but I'm always open for new ideas that may prove past beliefs right or wrong.) I have a few more comments on others listed in your newsletter, but am out of space now. (Guy seems to always limits himself to 3 handwritten pages of paper.) When you run out of proof, you start using deduction, which most of the above is, but maybe it will ring a bell provide a starting point for someone. (I hope someone can pick up where Guy is making deductions and find the concrete evidence, whatever it may prove.) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Pat Duggan, e-mail You may or may not wish to use this info in your monthly newsletter. From the family of Sherod Delwyn Derryberry: Children and grandchildren of Sherod and Florence Derryberry reunited in Selma, Ala., August 24th for the wedding of Kevin and Connie Derryberry. Many of the cousins arriving for the wedding had not seen one another since their grandmother's funeral in 1984. E-mail addresses were scribbled on paper napkins and distributed among ourselves at the wedding brunch prior to the ceremony. Fun was had by all as we were introduced to "grand cousins" and other misc. relatives. Coming from Pickerington, Ohio was Lynn Mallow Vaughn, whose mother is Juanita Derryberry Mallow. Lynn made the long journey with her granddaughter, Laura. Aside from the beautiful wedding, one thing that impressed me during this trip was my Aunt Juanita, who informed me that at 83 she has bought a computer and is going to college to learn how to use it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Rick Williams, e-mail The generation info that I got on Henry Derryberry (b1662) and George Derryberry (b1688) and John J. Derryberry (b1710) came from John Whitlock of Knoxville, Tennessee. He submitted the information to the LDS website. That is where I found the information on the Derryberry's. As far as things about my part of the family. Unfortunately my family was not good about keeping records and passing down information. Elizabeth Derryberry married Daniel S. Webb. At some point they moved to Loudon, Tennessee near Knoxville. They called Elizabeth "Liza" and "Eliza". They were a farm family. Daniel Webb joined the Union during the Civil WAR and was captured by the South at the battle of Vicksburg. The story goes that he was marched through Loudon on his way to a prison camp. His mother saw him briefly and gave him her shoes to wear. He later died in prison. I haven't been able to find out any more about where he died and what regiment he served. The 1890 Veterans Census lists Daniel and "Liza". Elizabeth is buried in Riverview Cemetery in Loudon Tennessee along with three of her children. I don't know much more about the family. Most all of my Aunts and Uncles have passed on. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Received notice, as most of you did, of The New World Book of Derryberrys, by Halbert's of Bath, OH. The letter was signed by Robert C. Derryberry. Halbert's told me once that Robert C. Derryberry of TN was their contact with the Derryberry family, but would not tell me how to contact him direct. I contacted the only Robert C. Derryberry that I could find. I think he was in Maury Co. He denied any connection with Halbert's. Does anyone know who is that Robert Derryberry? I think we should find him and stop that nonsense. Also received from The Derryberry Family News in Denver, CO a notice of The Y2K Derryberry Family Archives, only $44.85, and if purchased I would get the next 4 issues of The Derryberry Family News, a $12.00 value. Or, I could get the Derryberry CD ROM for $49.00. If I bought it, I'd get the Family Trees, The Derryberry Scrapbook and the next 4 issues of the Derryberry Family News. I note that they did not claim to have a Derryberry on their staff. Wonders never cease. Have either of those snookered any Derryberrys that you know of? I cannot imagine anyone falling for those this day in time, with so much available on the Internet. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Audrey Jean Derryberry Massey, a new e-mail address: I only found out a short time ago that Eula Robinson Lovett, who had kept the old Adam Derryberry House for over 50 years, passed away. I only wish I had known at the time because she deserved the respect of the attendance of most of us at her funeral. My son Mike had been staying here and working, hoping to bring his family from Oklahoma, but he and his wife Antoinette decided they wanted to give the job situation out there another try, and he went back home in June. He just got a job at Uniroyal in Ardmore and is also working with his minister toward attending a seminary. He has four children: Kala, 9, Caitlin, 5, Michael, 3, and Matthew, 19 months. They live in Ringling. Mike served several years as a Military Policeman. My daughter Merri Beth, who lives with me, is working toward a Computer Science degree at University of Alabama, Huntsville. So far she is holding down a near perfect 4.0, even with all her math classes. Her son Bryan, 8, is involved in soccer and baseball this Fall. Daughter Mikki (Mikala Ann) lives in my old hometown, Columbia, TN, and is teaching part-time at Central High School. She is an artist and athlete (gymnastics and tennis, still keeps up the tennis and long distance bike-riding), - graduated from MTSU, Murfreesboro, TN. She and her husband, Steve, have two boys, Jay, 12, (named for my father Joseph Rodgers Derryberry) and Will, 9, both stand-out baseball players in Columbia. Daughter Melanie lives with her husband Robert and children Bobby, 19, and Bonnie, 6, near Athens, AL. Robert works for the City of Huntsville, and Melanie may return to nursing courses now that Bonnie is in school. My mother, 82, is living with me now, as I think I've already told you. She has rheumatoid arthritis but gets around well with her walker. She can take care of her personal needs, but I cook and clean for her. It has been so satisfying to me knowing that she's not still in her house alone and me wondering about whether she is warm or cold or being fed well. I would like everyone to think of me in December when I have my knee replacement surgery. I have to put it off until then because I provide the school transportation for my grandson, and Merri Beth will be out of college classes then to help out both me and him, and Mother, of course, too. Right now I'm living on cortisone shots and Naprosyn and doing fairly well. I had no idea my situation was so bad or even that I had arthritis until the orthopedic surgeon showed me my x-rays and told me I had an "advanced arthritis." I just ignored the pain and kept on going. We do what we have to do... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ October 2, Lucy Beckner Church posted a message on the Derryberry Genforum. She is looking for an Elizabeth ‘Lizzie' Derryberry born about 1851, according to census information. She married George Church about 1870-71 probably in VA. She found her evidence of Lizzie in a book, Looking Back One Hundred Years, 1950, by Hanibal Compton, found in the Buchannan Co. Library. Their children were Wilson, Mac and Rhoda. Wilson was her husband's grandfather. The book states that Lizzie was a Primitive Baptist Faith Healer and midwife. Lizzie last appeared in census reports in 1910. She is also mentioned in a Bicentennial History, Buchannan Co. If you can help Lucy, e-mail her at the e-mail address listed in the Derryberry Genforum. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Nancy Repenning, e-mail Subj: Vacation and Genealogy OK, Bob. How's this. I took a vacation and did a little sleuthing, too. The end of Sept. I went to the French Riviera, or Cote d'Azur, to visit my son Billy, and wife Lisa, who are expecting my 8th grandchild to be named Jack McCoy. It is beautiful, and great weather! I came back to Seattle rain and was ready to go back. My biggest impression was all the history. In this country, particularly in the west, we have no idea about history. If a building is 50 years old--bulldoze it and put up something ugly. We really are adolescents in this world! There I was fascinated to walk along streets that have been there since Roman times, or at least the 15th or 16th century. One of the things that impressed me was how the architecture blends in with the landscape rather than scarring it. Well, there are the tourist cities like Nice, replete with McDonald's. No Starbucks, though. Their attitude is, "If you want a different flavor, grow a different bean, but DO NOT mix the beans. Oh, I'd still rather live here, but I do wish we had more of a sense of what made us what we are instead of acting like spoiled teens who think we invented the moon. They are insane drivers in France. The roads are very narrow and they drive very fast. It's somewhat problematic who's going to stop when, so it's a constant game of chicken. Their economy is socialism gone absolutely wild! Unemployment is very high because people don't want to hire people because they have to pay exorbitant taxes to pay for the health care and welfare programs. I did like the way you pay for things over there. Everything is in an even number of francs, tax and tip included. None of our "$2.98 + tax." Also, their different denominations of money are different colors and designs so you can easily see what you have. Now, for the genealogy. Before I went over, I received an e-mail from Audrey Massey saying there was a house with an inscription over the door in St. Jean Pied du Port in the Basque Country (Pays Basque)saying, "Johannes Diriberry et Louise DuHalde, Maestro et maitresse de la maison de Londresena, 1722." Well, that certainly came closer to Derryberry than I had ever seen. Besides, Audrey's letter was shown to a man in Lyon, France who assured her it could be nothing other than Basque. To quote Audrey's letter, "This inscription lead to a belief by some that this had been a tavern, others felt it might have been a Huguenot house of refuge. Some felt it indicated a former family tie with England, perhaps from some of the family who had fled France and later (their descendants) returned. "Two years later, I was in contact with a woman in Lyon, France, who gave my letter to a Monsieur Louis Diriberry. He said the name can have no other origin than Basque. It means 'of Iriberry,' formerly 'D'Iriberry.' He said the village of Iriberry was an ancient one that was incorporated into another and no longer exists, but that the surname Diriberry is known as Basque in the area of Lyon and the French Pyrennes. "The doorway can be found in St. Jean Pied du Port. Msr Diriberry said he had seen the inscription himself several times." So, armed with all that knowledge, I ventured forth. The train trip from Nice to Bayonne was overnight in a sleeper. What a misnomer. But that's another story for another time. As we entered Basque country, I was enchanted. I knew next to nothing about the Basques. I had done some research on the Internet, but that really didn't give me a feel. I did, however, feel as I entered the Region, "Yeah, I could be Basque." I chose Bayonne over Biartiz because it didn't sound so touristy. It's right out of the 16th and 17th century, forgetting the modernizations. (I didn't see a McDonald's there.) The tourist bureau had a wonderful map in English showing the important sites. The town also has signs posted all around pointing to the sites which correspond with the map. When you get to the site, there are descriptions in French, Spanish (it's right on the French-Spanish border), English and Euskara (the native Basque language spoken by about 20% of the people.) Here again, there is lots of history. Also, this is where the bayonet was invented and chocolate was introduced to the west by Portugese Jews fleeing from persecution. When it was first introduced, it was called "the devil's brew" by the church, because it was thought to be an aphrodisiac. However, it soon gained favor with the upper class and became the favorite it is today. After two days in Bayonne, I took the hour long train ride to St. Jean Pied du Port. I found out that it got it's name not only because it is at the foot of the Pyrenees, but it was one of the places where the French held the Spanish at bay. The proprietor of the hotel where I stayed in St. Jean was very delighted when I told him my reason for being there. He told me where to go to get more information and agreed that Derryberry HAD to be a Basque name. In fact, anybody with a drop of Basque blood said the same. When I went to the Tourist Bureau, she said the door I was looking for was very famous and pointed out on tours. She told me where to find it. I did and took a couple of pictures of it. It looks like the house is occupied, but I didn't pursue that avenue. From the town hall, I found out that Johannes and Louise DuHalde had a daughter in 1709. That's all the information they had about that. But I was told that even if I found people with the same name, they might not be related as that only means they were from Iriberry. When I got home, I looked in the and found that Micheal (our common progenitor) was born in Burke Co. NC in 1785, died on Feb. 9, 1861 in Warren Co. TN and was married to Nancy Rosanna about 1802. Not only that, but several generations back were born in this country, the first being John J. Derryberry, born about 1710. Maybe everybody else knows all this, but I'm new and was quit amazed. It seems to me, from what I could gather that d'Iriberry just means "from Iriberry," rather that a definite surname. But the Basque people I talked to felt that "berry" was definitely a Basque ending. My own opinion had always been that it was something Celtic like Welsh or Irish. But, when you stop to think about it, the Celts were all over western Europe, including the British Isles. I went to ><, typed in Derryberry and followed the links which eventually took me back to John J. Derryberry born about 1710 in Essex Co., Va. He and wife, Anna Buck, had a son named Jacob. Jacob and Christiiana Bernhardt begat Michael Alexander D'y in 1785. He married Nancy Rosanna in 1802, when he was 17 and she was 12 and they had 8 children. There is a disclaimer on all these records that "the information has not been verified against any official records. is the responsibility of those who use the file to verify its accuracy." I add, has anyone has ever found a Diriberry on a ship's list to America, or ever found a Diriberry who also used the name Derryberry or Derreberry? My problem with Diriberry thing is that no one has yet, to my knowledge, ever found a crossover like has been found with the Durrenberger name. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Correction from DFNO #13, my daughter, Susan, lives in Evanston, instead on Willimette, IL, but by only about the length of a football field. It is so close to the town line that I forgot. They say there are three things that happen to you as you get older. The first is that you begin to forgrt a lot, and I've forgotten what the other two were. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I had a nice trip to Littleton, CO recently. My niece and her husband, for her mother's 75th birthday, got my widowed sister-in-law, Donna, my wife, Alta, and me to come to Littleton for 4 days to celebrate and be together again once more. We had a ball. My sister, the birthday girl, Jady, or Jo D. As she now likes to be called, has had to have both hip joints replaced and cannot yet travel, so we traveled to her. She lives near her only child, and only grand child, there in Littleton area. She has had cataract surgery and just now getting back to where she can do her life love, sewing. She has one hugh garden and, like her mother did, puts up lots of pickels and makes jelly. I believe she is enjoying retirement. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Took longer to get together enough for a newsletter this time. Maybe more family news next time, if you all will come on through.

Bob Derryberry